The Tao of Folksonomy
I am obviously condensing a lengthy dialogue, much of which went over my head, but I do recall a suggestion that a reputation system might add clout to thoughtful taggers and reduce the noise. I’m not sure whether that was deemed unworkable or unwise because by that time everybody was antsy to go home and there was a lot of shuffling of chairs. Mary did mention she was discussing these issues with Marc Canter (of Ourmedia) in something called Open Topics which I briefly visited but bounced off as it is way too technical for me.
Afterwards, dinner host Jeff Ubois emailed his customary who-was-there, what-was-said, follow up, in which he included links to further the conversation. They directed me to a lengthy and illuminating essay in which Shelley Powers (aka Burningbird) reviewed much of the discussion about tags, their plusses, minuses and alternatives.
To make a long essay short, Burningbird seems to thinks that, when it comes to tags, we get what we pay for. In her own words: “I grant that tags (Technorati, Flickr, and others) and the other tools of folksonomies are better than having nothing at all; but is there a possibility that they are also worse than having nothing at all?” She softens the critique by adding: “I don’t want to denigrate Technorati’s efforts with this, because I feel in the end Technorati is going to play a major role in our semantic efforts. Still, no matter how many tricks you play with something like tags, you can only pull out as much ‘meaning’ as you put into them.”
The essay alludes to some alternatives or supplementary systems, which frankly require more thought power and technical insight than I can muster, perhaps ever and most certainly now when I have to get on with life.
Tom Abate MiniMediaGuy Cause if you ain’t Mass Media, you’re Mini Media
6 Comments:
When Shelley says "Still, no matter how many tricks you play with something like tags, you can only pull out as much ‘meaning’ as you put into them” i will have to agree whith her, yet she is seeing the half of the glass that empty, not the half that is full. We put meaning into words in our natural language by the process of ostension and tagging is just the same thing on the Internet. I blogged about this a while ago.
So if I label or tag bozo faust as a turd or big brown turd that aggregates his meaning to something my dog likes to play with - is that what you have in mind ?
I am with Clay Shirky on this, the rushing torrent is USAGE. Usage rules; academics and professional can comment, fret and publish but the wider population will determine what works.
Superior forms of storage and classification will be sorted out by the marketplace. Tags and folksonomies are more like language itself than like the dusty stacks.
Bozo Faust's short blog (linked above in his comment) on the subject is quite good--if only he hadn't ruined it with a mention of semiotics.
Thanks, Andi Silver, for your positive comment. I don't take semiotics too seriously ... really all there is to it for me is this semiotic triangel and the idea that symbol is associated to object by a social process. That simple idea cuts out ages of confusion in the philosophy of language.
Incidentally how do i get my store on on Andilinks ?
Thanks for the additiomal thoughts. I continue to wonder if there is a way to blend folksonomy with some form of supervision -- some set of superfolks who would scan the tag universe and make recommendations to harmonize them. But I don't understand the technical challenges of what I propose, even if such oversight were acceptable to volunteer communities.
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